tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post1671822155645561902..comments2024-03-28T18:40:51.572-04:00Comments on Tilting at Windmills: Coming back into the sunshineCWMartinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-29776471143143171152017-03-02T15:40:29.334-05:002017-03-02T15:40:29.334-05:00Dale, I told you twice to stay on topic. You chos...Dale, I told you twice to stay on topic. You chose to bloviate on about whatever you wanted. So, for the first time in my history, I am NOT posting up someone's comments. Got the notices, deleted without looking. Maybe if we correspond again, you'll be more respectful in the area of the ground rules.<br /><br />There used to be one thing I didn't allow on this blog, and that was commenters who insult my people that come here. Now, there's another- people that exhaust my patience with bs, get told to cease and desist, and ignore me. Congrats Dale, you're victim Zero!CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-48648853820288568352017-03-02T15:36:31.094-05:002017-03-02T15:36:31.094-05:00No, now people think their life's duty is to s...No, now people think their life's duty is to self-promote on the internet. Which brings me to...CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-23640449772110000062017-03-01T17:37:56.068-05:002017-03-01T17:37:56.068-05:00That's why I had to stop going on social media...That's why I had to stop going on social media. I even had to stop watching some of my favorite shows. It's gotten so out of control. And I love politics, but I don't like when it's completely biased and now it is. It wasn't even this bad when Bush was president.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-21980557891373733232017-03-01T16:56:00.855-05:002017-03-01T16:56:00.855-05:00Oh, and, if I may quote you:
"Intelligence h...Oh, and, if I may quote you:<br /><br />"Intelligence has little to do with looking up facts and stating them."<br /><br />Thanks for making one final point for me. Write back when you get work.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-8614868046763266772017-03-01T16:53:05.367-05:002017-03-01T16:53:05.367-05:00I wasn't even referring to your earlier anon p...I wasn't even referring to your earlier anon post- I just assumed it was a Blogger glitch. Which, if you would have looked to see that all your other posts came under your name, you would have figured as well.<br /><br />But if you couldn't figure that out, then I guess you're right- you aren't out to prove how smart you are.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-56339305316984165312017-03-01T16:50:41.926-05:002017-03-01T16:50:41.926-05:001- I don't have to be reminded of my comments....1- I don't have to be reminded of my comments. My blog doesn't have to be all politics all the time.<br /><br />2- Jesus is also the Son of God, both part of and above ethnic divisions, as I'm sure you'd agree. Thanks for pulling those two out of nowhere.<br /><br />3- AND I told you, stick to topic. Since you refuse to grant me that courtesy on MY OWN Blog, this thread is done for you, after one further stupid comment.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-24673114277429908202017-03-01T16:11:39.627-05:002017-03-01T16:11:39.627-05:00CW -- Your blog would not allow me to post that po...CW -- Your blog would not allow me to post that post under my name. I do not know why. I could only post it as "anonymous." I ALWAYS stand behind EVERYTHING I write. If someone proves me to be wrong, I admit it. dalepertcheckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17300058908166292311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-69997750556227391882017-03-01T16:08:24.611-05:002017-03-01T16:08:24.611-05:00CW -- Just keep in mind this part of your closing ...CW -- Just keep in mind this part of your closing comments in your original post on this thread (Is it OK to quote you, CW?): "when necessary I'll hold the government I voted for to the fire."<br />Oh, and remember, Jesus was a Jew. So were Joseph and Mary.<br />BTW -- I am NOT trying to prove to anyone how intelligent I am. Intelligence has little to do with looking up facts and stating them. America today has a very strong anti-intellectual bias. Facts are scary to ALL ideologues, both on the right and the left! Intelligence is not sinful, CW. Neither are facts.dalepertcheckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17300058908166292311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-50445630709922269172017-03-01T15:44:28.354-05:002017-03-01T15:44:28.354-05:00Oh, was that an insult? Why yes, because that is ...Oh, was that an insult? Why yes, because that is what I do to trolls. For whatever reason, after being warned to stay on topic, you wandered off again, and have thus reverted to troll status in my humble opinion. Even Roland says "trolling not allowed" on his blog. I just don't allow it under anonymous OR named. Unless it is entertaining. And if everyone else is as bored of your pseudo-intellectualism as I am, then I'd say that boat has sailed.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-31661799299978945812017-03-01T15:40:33.389-05:002017-03-01T15:40:33.389-05:00"You claimed that you write about facts, and ..."You claimed that you write about facts, and I write without facts." Well, yes, but that doesn't mean I write about bumblebee physiology on a post about flowers.<br /><br />" And, I thought that the topic was about poor Lyin' Don and how unfairly his proposals are being skewed by the media." Somewhat- at least that's closer than your piece on the Clinton economic plan.<br /><br />" Maybe I'm far off base"- congratulations! We agree on something! Whether someone looks up facts and writes about them, or whether your "facts" are correct or not, is STILL off the topic- even the version of the topic you listed above.<br /><br />"CW -- You have all the power here"- ooh, I feel all Superman-y.<br /><br />Look Dale, I am trying to be patient here. You know as well as I do what the topic is, and it isn't "how many facts I can dig up to bash republicans." It is "Why should Chris put up with people who have lost the point of the term 'Nazi' and want to spread fear while claiming they hope everything works out." To that point, I will tell you, Dale, again and directly- if you have ANYTHING else that actually matches the topic AS WRITTEN IN THE POST, feel free to comment. I am fairly confident that people can now see just why I bailed from Roland's comment line in the first place- ongoing BS which only seeks to self-prove how intelligent you are. I believe you have accomplished this. However, if you wish to continue using this thread as a means to disseminate your slobbering love of Bill Clinton (which apparently is one thing you have in common with Monica Lewinski), then I will, regrettably, pull the plug on you. Surely even you can see that your current trajectory here has changed into a waste of everyone's time.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-73183083088489104962017-03-01T15:29:09.035-05:002017-03-01T15:29:09.035-05:00Yep. I should be so smart.Yep. I should be so smart.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-10396595586591441702017-03-01T15:28:53.201-05:002017-03-01T15:28:53.201-05:00But it's a lot funnier.But it's a lot funnier.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-38933929398919998962017-03-01T15:25:04.190-05:002017-03-01T15:25:04.190-05:00CW -- You claimed that you write about facts, and ...CW -- You claimed that you write about facts, and I write without facts. And, I thought that the topic was about poor Lyin' Don and how unfairly his proposals are being skewed by the media. I was merely proving, with actual facts, that we had a Democratic POTUS who did something that no one predicted he could do. Not only did he balance the budget, he oversaw 4 consecutive Federal budget SURPLUSES. Now, if you have evidence that ANY Republican in the last CENTURY has done this, present it. Maybe I'm far off base, but do readers here really buy into the idea that looking up and writing facts is a waste of your time?<br />CW -- You have all the power here. You can refuse to give ANY of my posts your "approval" any time you want. As I stated, I HOPE I'M WRONG! about the economic effects of Republican and Trumpian proposals. I fear that I am not.dalepertcheckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17300058908166292311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-59807372173867953762017-03-01T15:19:12.377-05:002017-03-01T15:19:12.377-05:00This why I stay far away from political discussion...This why I stay far away from political discussions. And facebook. Michhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12456803425068822920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-28989786189974559982017-03-01T15:19:00.055-05:002017-03-01T15:19:00.055-05:00Singing in the sunshine sounds better then stumbli...Singing in the sunshine sounds better then stumbling in the dark, kicking your toe and swearing your head off. My point, I don't know I don't really have a point so instead I am just saying what pops into my head and that is usually dribble stuff that makes no sense much like the stuff politicians says.Jo-Anne's Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11418152399382818709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-53168282607313938432017-03-01T12:06:24.184-05:002017-03-01T12:06:24.184-05:00A few things to this. One, this post isn't on...A few things to this. One, this post isn't on the subject of policy, and this veers awfully close to being off topic. Secondly, we can argue numbers all we want- liars, damn liars, and statisticians. Third, I admit to having as much concern how grand government projects and massive tax cuts are going to work out as I would of under the third-grade mathematics of a Bernie Sanders Presidency. <br /><br />Now if I decide to do a post on economics, then by all means, bring your stats. I'll go find some ringer to set up a bunch of links, as I have better things to do with my time than number crunching, and you can get your vitriol out all you want. However, the topic here is how I got sick and tired of fear mongering and wolf crying. <br /><br />In that light, this comes real close to my classic definition of a troll- when you can't make progress on the original topic, obfuscate by bringing up subject material that one can sound good on but avoids touching the core issue.<br /><br />Or in other words, who the hell was talking about Bill Clinton?CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-51050844642002825662017-03-01T11:47:29.880-05:002017-03-01T11:47:29.880-05:00CW -- All I can say is to quote my personal favori...CW -- All I can say is to quote my personal favorite as POTUS, Harry Truman. When a supporter yelled out to him, "Give 'em hell, Harry." He answered, "I don't give 'em hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell."<br />I do cite facts. And, on both Roland's site and on Swamp Bubbles, I expressed the genuine hope that I am wrong about Republican, and Trumpian policies. I hope that these changes are successful. I want America to do well. My experience tells me that we are back to what George H.W. Bush called "Voodoo economics." We cannot cut taxes drastically, increase spending greatly, and balance the budget.<br />Facts -- the last 4 years of Clinton's budgets were in SURPLUS! 1998 -- $87.9 billion; 1999 -- $157 billion; 2000 -- $290 billion; 2001 -- $154 billion. This occurred because of policies -- real tax reforms -- which Democrats instituted in the 1993-94 Congress. And Republicans and conservatives predicted that those policies would lead to recession. WRONG! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-55894748863113936722017-03-01T11:16:33.873-05:002017-03-01T11:16:33.873-05:00Unfortunately, there are gripers on both sides of ...Unfortunately, there are gripers on both sides of the fence. People that go after Obama's kids just like the Bush girls and just like Trump's little man. Again, I say I think such attacks are cowardly and have nothing to do with civil discourse.<br /><br />But it does seem like you see it more from the left- many of them think this blind opposition is their version of 60's "flying the freak flag". Just about as effective in getting their point across too.<br /><br />The fact that my two debaters have come over says something different about them. Not ideologically, but in the sense that there can be talk. But, as I have told them, I'm not listening to the BS end of the spectrum anymore, from them or any one else.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-84698999735915072152017-03-01T10:39:34.796-05:002017-03-01T10:39:34.796-05:00Chris:
The one thing you have got to realize is th...Chris:<br />The one thing you have got to realize is that the liberals DO make it all about "policy", and their policy IS to disagree with anything BUT their own beliefs, in spite of trying to show them facts that otherwise bear truth to reason.<br />When people gripe out of only a sense of "convenience", rather than evidence that gives purpose behind a gripe, that is what bothers me.<br />It's the old "Oppositional Defiance Disorder" we hear tell about.<br />There are people who just live to be combative, argumentative, and downright ignorant about a great many things they SHOULD know about.<br />But, it's not like I've got 6 decades of life and experiences to draw upon to make my conclusions, right...lol.<br /><br />Good call.<br />Stay safe (and free to speak your mind) up there, brother.Bob G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09222203353717749897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-56772743762322060692017-03-01T09:55:48.586-05:002017-03-01T09:55:48.586-05:00For some reason I got yet another iteration of the...For some reason I got yet another iteration of the original post. SOMEone up there wants me to post it several times, lol!<br />CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-85599067348316615802017-03-01T09:34:02.260-05:002017-03-01T09:34:02.260-05:00Open vs closed: No, that's the difference bet...Open vs closed: No, that's the difference between "I am so sick and tired of deleting spam comments" and "wow, all I have to do is delete the spam folder". Simply different means of saying the same thing.<br /><br />I will take on the challenge of your latest comment, since it is valid- to a point. I listened to NPR say much the same thing ( sans insult which you and Trump could both take a lesson on), and I thought to myself, "No- it's not so much that it's something he hasn't said before, it's just something that hasn't been LISTENED to"- which again wouldn't be a problem IF he hadn't had to be so crass in the debates.<br /><br />When one has to constantly defend their ideals against BS charges (which, unlike you, I dump the whole "censorship" thing and the "Nazi" slander), it is hard to see that the person your arguing with just MIGHT have some of the same concerns YOU have. I'm not against what you and Roland had to say, just the WAY you said it. Similarly, Trump doesn't have a problem with CNN reporting, but with HOW they spin things to the negative. By constantly being on the attack, they make it easy for Trump to call them out- a lesson CBS apparently learned, and maybe NPR.<br /><br />They want Trump to talk to them? Cease the endless, pointless, stupid attacks on him, his people and his family, and concentrate on issues. THEN, if he tries to shoot them down, it's bad on him- and the American people will see it.<br /><br />But coating things in OMG he's a Nazi- as Roland HAS done more than once, and you defended him in- or that pointless stupid tweet about Melania last night- that's your credibility in a garbage bag, and when I and many others stop listening.<br />CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-1046972496568912017-03-01T08:11:49.902-05:002017-03-01T08:11:49.902-05:00Am I the only one to find the one great irony in L...Am I the only one to find the one great irony in Lyin' Don's first formal speech to a full session of Congress? Did he really say that: "The time for small thinking is over," Trump said. "The time for trivial fights is behind us?"<br />Is this the start of a new era of cooperation? Did some in his entourage FINALLY get to him with the message that civility starts at the top? TY, CW, for admitting that Lyin' Don's personal attacks on so many others opens himself up for similar belittling by those who oppose him. <br /><br />Open vs. close forum -- When I first posted something on one of Roland's blogs, the only thing I had to do was to confirm that I was not a robot. When I first posted something on THIS blog, I received a message that my post had to be "approved." THAT'S the difference between an open forum and a close one. Thank you, CW for allowing my post. dalepertcheckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17300058908166292311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-47379720803305366612017-03-01T06:35:36.750-05:002017-03-01T06:35:36.750-05:00And this, friends would be the other antagonist, w...And this, friends would be the other antagonist, who claims I got off the thread because I was "losing" rather than because I was tired of going in circles with someone who believes that playing the Nazi card is appropriate in nearly any circumstance if you leave out all the deaths.<br /><br />I would point out that the "open forum" he refers to is Roland's blog, which is no more or less open than my own, else his comment wouldn't have appeared. See, that's freedom of speech, Dale.<br /><br />I would also point out that, in this particular comment, he seems to find happiness something to be resisted, and thinks that NOT wanting to has the same crap over and over is dishonorable. THAT is why I got out of the whole thing.<br /><br />Then, he passive aggressive accuses me of doing nothing, or brags about his doing something. But what are you doing when you alienate the people you want to reach by pinning a swastika to all your talking points?<br /><br />And, in claiming he is "doing something", he brings up another good point. Though I opposed the last administration, the only things I spoke out against were the things I thought were his most harmful failures. One: Obamacare which is a typical pyramid scheme, which is only successful when people gaining from it can continually find people who can be screwed by it. Two: Benghazi, where his inattention allowed his State Department to hang four people out to dry unneccessarily. And three: the Ferguson/Baltimore mess, where he had a real chance to unite the races, but further divided the nation instead in the name of spin points. However, Dale, Roland, and others think the best way to oppose is apparently to nitpick every little thing, blow the simple far out of proportion, and attack the opposition on a personal level. While I disliked Michelle Obama, the ONLY thing I have ever said against her was that her PUBLIC statements make her seem more a racist than any of the politicians involved, including her husband. I'm sorry, but the opposite of racism is NOT "Poor black people, you mean white guys." But, that's another topic.<br /><br />Finally, since he decided to come over and play whak-a-mole, I will give Dale this- I was wrong to castigate him on his tired insult tag line on the thread. Trump used the insult card way too much during the campaign, and is merely reaping the whirlwind.CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-28252676007527032032017-02-28T22:50:36.358-05:002017-02-28T22:50:36.358-05:00Appreciated more than you know. I believe you cou...Appreciated more than you know. I believe you could teach me a lot about hanging in there I've yet to learn...CWMartinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06798867734074134647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5822869016413307981.post-66007750160500283722017-02-28T22:40:00.716-05:002017-02-28T22:40:00.716-05:00Chris, I'm sorry that you're struggling he...Chris, I'm sorry that you're struggling here. I don't know the answer. I suspect that you won't win many hearts and minds on the internet. The blogging world is by and large kinder than other platforms on social media, but it still leaves plenty of room for miscommunication (and/or frustration).<br /><br />I think that until this POTUS has more time in office many discussions will not bear much fruit. If he's successful at bringing back jobs and making the economy thrive... well, those are unarguable facts. If he isn't, he's just on a par with the rest of the POTUS's since Reagan. I would argue that the economy is actually in much worse shape than when Reagan took office, so this POTUS has a much harder row to hoe. But, if he can untangle health care, bring back jobs, get a handle on immigration... these are all tangible good things that reasonable people can get behind.<br /><br />There is an excellent video by Ron Beck you can find on YouTube (actually two videos) about immigration. One is called Immigration and Gumballs. The other is Immigration by the Numbers. I think they're both worth watching.<br /><br />Hang in there!Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14932408372240147454noreply@blogger.com