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What is it about nice people that attract total idiots?Nice people are martyrs. Idiots are evangelists.


Sunday, June 30, 2013

Sunday update

(Before I get going here, I point you out to the caps blog link to see the great Summer Sampler Taste Test.  Go on, it'll just take a minute!)

Yesterday, a day I've been eagerly awaiting arrived.  The atheists in Florida finally unveiled the world's first atheist monument (at least, the first since the Tower Of Babel).  I've been waiting to see what it had on it, all these famous quotes and whatnot.  I finally found a site that showed it and gave at least the main quotes, and I'd like to put in my two cents.

Before I start, though, I should say I was reading in the mainstream news some of what happened at the ceremony.  Demonstrations, "honk if you love Jesus", that's a part of free speech, and no worse than what the atheists would do at a similar function.  One guy threw a toilet seat and a roll of paper at the monument as he drove by.  Amusing?  Yes.  Necessary?  Productive?  Not really.  Another dude leapt up on top of it and thanked the atheists for providing a higher perch on which to preach the Gospel.  My opinion here is, I thought you weren't supposed to preach in desecrated temples.  Long story short, there are plenty of ways to make your feelings known and serve God without being juvenile.

That said, let's look at this monument, which appears to be a four-sided pillar with a park bench attached.

First quote:  "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"  1796 Treaty of Tripoli.

First off, when you quote something, you are supposed to put in the indicia that it is part of a larger context, instead of just chopping out the part you want as if it stood alone.  Here's the whole thing:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
And either way, the statement has some truth-  the Constitution (excuse me, Frank, the Declaration of Independence) says, "...endowed by our Creator..." (Note the dots?  That means it is part of a larger whole.  They used to teach that in English grammar, you know).  However, the constitution, the Founders, even Thomas Jefferson recognized that there IS a Creator.  There is no "...or lack of one..." in any of the founding documents.
This is the central hypocrisy of atheism.  I have never heard of an atheist shouting down a Muslim, a Jew, or a Hindu.  Their only concern is deleting Christianity.  They claim this is because "it is the dominant religion in society".  I think that perhaps there is someone pulling their strings- and that someone has a vested self-interest in destroying the one true faith.  But if the atheists enjoy being played, good for them.
Oh, before we move on, I should point out that the pirate states broke the treaty within 5 years.  I guess that's what happens when you deal with people whose only moral foundation is "the innate goodness of evolved mankind".
Next quote:  "...When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ‘tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."  Benjamin Franklin (In a letter dated October 9, 1790)

Here Franklin is speaking as a man come from a world where the government actively collected taxes and tithes FOR THE PURPOSE of supporting an established church.  This has NOTHING to do with the relationship between the church and government in the US of A.  That Franklin was right is born out in the spread of atheism and indifference in the European nations that did have the churches on "tithe welfare" for so long.  What it does NOT have to do with is the protection of the church and its members and their freedom rights JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS.  The second great hypocrisy of atheism is that they are being "persecuted" every time a Christmas display is put up or a prayer is said in a public place.  Freedom of religion means that if the Valedictorian wants to thank the God he believes in for what he has achieved, he has as much right to do so as the atheist salutatorian has to give credit where they want in their speech.  But that's not what atheists want, they want the Christian to be silent.  Why is that?  Are they afraid of a "fairy tale"?  Do they then go home and get offended by Bugs Bunny because he isn't real either?  Or is there a reason behind keeping Christ in particular out of public life?

Third quote: "...It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven..." John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787-8.

Nice quote.  Here's another from the same man, to his wife concerning their sons:

"Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty." 

Here's another, from the same writing the monument quotes:

The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.

Hmmm.  Sacred as THE LAW OF GOD, eh?

Here's another quote by Adams, in a letter to Jefferson:

"Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell."

Finally, let's tackle the arch-quote of the piece, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair:

“An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church.
An atheist believes that deed must be done instead of prayer said.
An atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanished, war eliminated.”

Well, perhaps if she had any idea of what being a Christian was all about, she'd have known that:

Christian churches minister to the sick, run hospitals.  Until liberals take away their right of conscience and try to shut them down.  So does an atheist want hospitals- or only atheist hospitals?

A Christian prays for guidance in finding the proper action, and prays that God's blessing be upon it.  And then, the Christian does the appropriate action.

A Christian looks at death not as an escape, but a reward.  Their involvement in life is geared towards reaching that reward.

And, if she was a historian at all, she might have a hard time explaining how much atheists like Lenin, Stalin, and Mao fought against disease, poverty, and war.

But since she is no longer with us, I'll direct the question to the atheists out there:

If you think we should be fighting poverty, disease, and war- then why are you so proud of building a park bench?


Okay, then let me give my take:  Atheists are just as evangelical as Christians, Muslims, or any other religion.  They just don't admit which god they evangelize for.


  1. This was an excellent response, BROTHER MARTIN!

    It's kinda funny that one of the most outspoken opponents of Madlyn Murray O'Hair was her son William. As author A. Ralph Epperson reminds us in his (1990) book 'THE NEW WORLD ORDER', in 1980, William O'Hair (then a Christian) publicly apologized for what his mother had done to our country in his name.

    Later, in a 1988 interview, William said, "My mother was always a Marxist. She was the manager of the New Era Bookstore in Baltimore, which was and is today an official Communist Party bookstore."

    Also, in a book he wrote, William O'Hair stated: "Many people identify me as being the song of atheist leader Madlyn Murray O'Hair. Granted, she is my mother, but her identification as an atheist 'leader' is not quite true. It was never her intent to be an atheist leader, but a Marxist leader."

    It's interesting how at the heart of "the atheist religion and movement" we usually find Marxists. Whether we're talking Madlyn Murray O'Hair, the ACLU, or any number of other prominent atheists persons or groups, we nearly always find Marxism on the ground floor.

    Good blog bit, Brother!

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

    1. But of course, I sent a link to the Freedom from Religion guys. It never fails to amaze me how quickly a group that considers themselves so intelligent turns to insults so quickly, and how hard it is to get "free thinkers" to consider a viewpoint beyond their own.

      Why did I do that? Well, as I told one gentlemen who did a thought-out (and relatively insult-less) critique on his blog, "I had two reasons- one good, one maybe not so noble. The one is, I have a heartfelt faith in my beliefs, and don't want anyone to face hell. the other, that when that day comes, I would like to hear my savior say, "Do not blame, Chris; he tried to tell you." "

      I am not surprised about the Marxist connection in the least. One daemonically controlled institution naturally will lead to the next.

      I also told my opponents that, "While I disagree, I can see your points on tax-exemption, public lands, and some other things; but I have never found an atheist willing to take a step back from their beliefs and say, "what if...". Until you can, you will never understand why I say you serve a god you won't acknowledge; you won't be able to see that we read the Bible from different perspectives; and you'll never understand why I posted here."

      For myself, I can only hope that there was someone open enough to see what I did as a seed. And I'm sure there was; bread cast on the water won't come back empty. And now, once again, I can shake the dust of their city from my sandals.

      Thanks for dropping by, and the support!

  2. I think your take is correct.


    Never thought I'd type that here on a religious piece. :)

    1. Why? I don't think that we disagree on things an honest, open minded person can see. It's running we fight about;)

  3. I came for a visit but my brain decided to have a nap and I can't think of anything to write in way of a nice witty I am saying nothing but wanted to let you know I was here anyway

    1. If you like, just send me an e-mail when you get stuck and I'll send you some good, snarky suggestions to post...

  4. CWM:
    I can only think of a one word summary of how you FULLY explained the atheist monument and the quotes found there upon...


    'Nuff said.

    Stay safe up there.

    1. You don't know how nice it is to come to the comments here and find people who don't spent 24/7 thinking of how to insult those opposed to the gay/atheist/liberal agenda...