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Wednesday, October 29, 2014

Papal Bull and Chicken Shits

Just some observations on the world today.

First of all, at the risk of being understood, let me say I had NO (zero) problem with what Pope Francis said on evolution yesterday.  For a while, though, I thought I was the only one.  Liberal media made it sound like His Holiness was a step away from becoming an atheist;  Catholic FBers were shaking their head as if betrayed.  So let's set the record straight.

“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so. . . “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fullfilment. . . “The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it. . . “God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life. . “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.” 

Let me start out by saying that I pulled this quote set from an article by one dude in the New Republic, who used it as a backdrop to say (paraphrased) that the pope was still an idiot because he included God's involvement in the Big Bang.  He mentions that science has found no direct evidence for the existence of God or a human soul.  To which I would say that, other than heavily manipulated, untested mathematical formulae and a collection of microwave circumstantial evidence, you haven't proven the Big Bang either.  (Oh, I forgot, science can believe in that which they haven't seen, so long as it is not a CHRISTIAN scientist believing.)  He castigates Francis for believing that evolution is a process of random chance instead of " a combination of random mutations and deterministic natural selection"- never bothering to cross the bridge that for something to be "deterministic", someone has to be there to DETERMINE, or else it is still just... random.  He also throws in that evolution "was an accepted fact as early as 1870, roughly a decade after the theory was proposed by Darwin..."  when upon further review, I find that according to several sources, the theory had almost died out at the turn of the last century (it might help to inform the author that that means 1900), and until a "neo-Darwinian synthesis" was achieved in the 1930s (again to help the author, roughly 70 years from Darwin's hypothesis), it was only established fact in his mind.

Okay, having established once again that science today is composed largely of agenda driven atheists doing nothing more productive than looking behind bushes and calling, "I don't SEE you, God..."  I need to point out next that the liberal media was taken to task for the OMG the Pope believes in evolution reporting by one of their own- Time Magazine, who tried to explain that if a) you actually listened to what he had to say, and b) had any understanding of Church history, you'd know he had not made anything close to a drastic turn in Church policy, any more than he did last month when his comments on the gifts that the gay community had to offer, and how we should treat them, got turned mysteriously into the Pope supports gays.

None of that seems to matter to the media; the internet exploded all the same. Site after site after site ramped up the Pope’s words and took them out of context. Headlines like these added drama:
NPR: “Pope Says God Not ‘A Magician, With A Magic Wand.’
Salon“Pope Francis schools creationists.”
U.S. News and World Report: “Pope Francis Backs the Big Bang Theory, Evolution” (with a subhead: “Also, the pontiff says he’s not a communist”)
Huffington Post.  Sydney Morning Herald.  USA Today. New York Post.
 The list goes on and on. Only Slate did its homework.

They even go on to mention the New Republic article I've sited as the next day's crop of lunacy (as "more of the same with an analytical twist".).

Now the only thing I have a problem with in this whole thing is the "magic wand" part.  God could very well just whipped it up.  After all, He did speak all things into existence.  But the mechanics of it?  Now that is what we don't understand, whether we are the Pope, some secular humanist writing hack articles in the New Republic, or a hardened fundamentalist who insists on the "Young Earth" theory.  What I do know, however, is this:

Pro 8:22  "The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works. 
Pro 8:23  I was appointed from everlasting from the first, before the earth began. 
Pro 8:24  I was born before there were oceans, before there were springs filled with water. 
Pro 8:25  I was born before the mountains were settled in their places and before the hills, 
Pro 8:26  when he had not yet made land or fields or the first dust of the world. 
Pro 8:27  "When he set up the heavens, I was there. When he traced the horizon on the surface of the ocean, 
Pro 8:28  when he established the skies above, when he determined the currents in the ocean, 
Pro 8:29  when he set a limit for the sea so the waters would not overstep his command, when he traced the foundations of the earth, 
Pro 8:30  I was beside him as a master craftsman. I made him happy day after day, I rejoiced in front of him all the time, 

This, to me, sounds like a God who built.  Like Pope Francis said.


Some other points from today:

Let's do some mental algebra here.  So liberals are supposed to be the ones who insist everything is PC- can't have sports teams that "disrespect" Native Americans, can't have white cops arrest black thugs because of "stereotyping", can't refuse to serve someone who espouses ideals you find repellant because that's discrimination.  So our current President is the poster child for PC- African American, liberal, cares about the "poor and downtrodden" who make up his constituency.  So, how is it, with an anonymous "administration official" saying in an interview that a foreign Prime Minister is "Chicken shit" today, this administration has officially taken the lead all time in non-PC statements apologized for?

Oh, wait.  He said it about a Jew, so it's okay.  I mean, Jesse Jackson called the Big Apple "Hymietown", and all he got was a Saturday Night Live skit that he even got to act in!


So, I guess we should rename the football team the Washington Yids, right?

Yet both Catholics and Jews (the latter by a WIIIIIIDE margin) voted Obama both times.  Go figure.

Every country has the government it deserves.


  1. To be honest, I really don't understand any of this. I read what the pope said and it is so vague that I come away with no real idea of WHAT the pope believes. In fact, I'm not even sure the pope knows what he believes.

    When he speaks of evolution, is he referring to micro-evolution or macro-evolution? Because micro-evolution is a fact and no one with at least two brain cells to rub together doubts it. Macro-evolution, however (descent from a common ancestor) is a big, fat fairy tale invented for pseudo-atheistic God-haters. There is no legitimate science to support Darwin's version of macro-evolution, nor anyone else's version of macro-evolution. It's pure caca, and if the pope believes in it... that's a real, real bad sign.

    The Big Bang is nothing but another big, fat theory, and there is more genuine evidence to indicate that the Big Bang did NOT occur, than that it did. The Big Bang has BIG problems in the realm of real science.

    >>... “God is not a divine being"

    Wait a minute! The pope said that? Am I reading and understanding this correctly? Is that a quote from the pope?!

    If God is not a Divine Being, then WHAT is He?

    I've never been a Catholic-basher, but having read 'GOODBYE, GOOD MEN' by Michael Rose years ago, and seeing how the Catholic church looked the other way and covered up pedophilia, and now this... "stuff"... about the Big Bang et al., well...

    I know the verse about the "seven hills" and how some people believe the End-Time anti-Christ and/or the False Prophet will emerge from the Catholic church. I have never bought into that, and still don't (I think), but I am now very wary about Catholicism. I still don't bash it, but I sure would NOT ever join it.

    ~ D-FensDogg
    'Loyal American Underground'

    1. Well, you certainly caught some things that zoomed by me! For instance, I am guessing that he was in fact talking "microevolution" (which I usually call "adaptation"), but even I have to wonder if he is looking at God as creating THROUGH the medium of nature, or whether he's looking at God as a "Buddha" who sits back and lets things just unfold.

      Also, the "Divine being" thing. I HAVE to believe this was a mistranslation of a "Magical being".

      I tend to look at the Big Bang as, "and God said, 'Let there be light' ", setting both energy and time into being in one shot. But as you said, there is NO evidence, and it could well be that any yutz with a calculator and an Old Testament can figure up the age of the earth. There is enough room for both. You are talking to the man who believes continental drift was covered in "He was named Peleg, for in his days the world was divided."

      For all of its warts, their are a lot of real Christians in the Catholic Church. If the Church is referenced by the seven hills, I believe that it will be the dead husk of the Church left after Jesus takes His own into heaven.

  2. Chris:
    I would like to debate some points of contention.
    Oh, wait, there AREN'T ANY...

    Could NOT agree with you more, brother.

    You must be channeling me when I'm watching the news.
    My comments (to the TV) are damn near EXACTLY the same...on ALL counts
    Sometimes, I cannot believe what I hear from the "drive-bys"m and often look to be suffering from catatonia.(which I think is an island off the coast of
    I sit there, blank stare on face, jaw-dropped...(two, three, four)...and then I go off on whoever made that dumb-ass comment...for about FIVE minutes.
    Sure gets stentorian around here, thanks to the loons out there.
    (got an A in algebra, too...mental OR otherwise)

    VERY good post and some great Bible quotes.
    (love proverbs)

    Stay safe up there.

  3. I respect the community of science. Without it, we'd still be in the dark ages. That doesn't mean I don't hold a strong belief in God, because without Him, we wouldn't even be here. The problem with science is it's inability to believe in that it can't see. No faith in the possibility of the existence of things bigger than us.

    1. I have a hard time respecting what passes for science these days, for a reason I've beat to death before- they have gone from "making observations- developing theories- testing theories- basing progress on the results observed" to "come up with the theory- search for data that supports or mimics the hypothesis- call it a law and insult all who disagree". That is why I stopped watching the new Cosmos after the third episode. NDT waited that long to bring his propaganda into what had been straight, impartial learning. I don't need people like him to laugh at me and call me "a member of the flat earth society" just because I ask, "So what CAUSED the Big Bang, hmmm?"